Vince Gill Confronts Westboro Baptist Church As They Protest His Concert

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Westboro Baptist church got quite a surprise last Sunday when they were protesting outside of a Vince Gull concert at Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts in Kansas City, Mo.

They were protesting because Vince had been divorced and remarried, of which they consider adultery. He split with Sweethearts of the Rodeo singer Janis Oliver in 1998, and he’s been married to singer/songwriter Amy Grant for the past 13 years.

As the video begins, Gill is seen approaching the picketers. A woman asks: “Vince Gill, what in the world are you doing out here?” His answer: “I just came to see what hate looked like.”

At the end of the video, Gill asks: “Are any of you guys Phelpses? Or are you guys like the C team?” That’s in reference to Westboro Baptist founder Fred Phelps, whose family makes up the bulk of the small congregation of the Topeka-based church.

 

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  1. Sir I would not waste my breath on those imposters they no more represent Christ Jesus than a snake represents innocence. It is because of folks like that, that make the rest of the Christian world look bad, I REALLY wish they would just wake the heck up and realize they are no more doing the work of the Lord than Sadaam was a saint.

          • Maybe you should read some history. Many have died because of Christianity. Pagans were slaughtered when they refused to convert. And this was in the name of god.

          • Like what’s going on in Syria today? convert from Christianity or lose your head. Hitler and Stalin were atheists how many did they kill? Man will use any means possible to control other men, the Bible is no exception.

          • Um, let’s see… The Romans come from Rome, right? Isn’t that the city that surrounds the vatican where the Pope lives? It doesn’t take a lot of research to discover that he’s a practicing Christian (Catholic). And I’m glad you mentioned Greece. Per a 2006 report published by US State Department, at that time 97% of Greek citizens identified as Christian (Greek Orthodox). And they’ve been that way (give or take on the exact percentage) for many hundreds of years. So I’d like you to explain how you concluded that the “Romans” and “Greeks” “were not Christians”.

        • JJ Ranger, I suggest that you reread your history books. The Christian faith is no more (and no less) guilty about causing war than any other faith throughout history with the noted exception of Buddhism. This is due to corrupt LEADERS within the faith not the faith or it’s followers.

        • JJ… sigh. Actually if you count the number of people killed Atheists have killed more people than anyone combined if you count Stalin, Mao, etc…

          But that’s just history. Of course it’s ok to hate as long as you do it against Christians… right? *shakes head*… your an idiot.

        • Typical of an uninformed moron. Even a cursory look into history will show your post for the lie that it is. Quit spouting the silly atheist dogma and get educated.

      • Christian churches have done enough to discredit themselves. And I doubt that the Phelps are atheists. Some of them certainly are lawyers. Why do you think they are atheists? Is it just because you don’t agree with their message? As far as I can tell, their message is derived straight from the bible. If the plan is to discredit churches by relaying precisely what is in the bible, then perhaps the discrediting is warranted.

        • Just curious, Danny. Which version of the Bible are you and the WBC reading?? Mine is the KJV, the same Bible I have been reading all my life. I really can’t remember WHERE in MY Bible it states that “God HATES FAGS”, or “God LOVES DEAD SOLDIERS”. In every encounter I have had with these head-cases, they are constantly telling everyone that the message they reach is directly from the Bible. Care to comment on that? Oh, wait. Never mind. It would probably just be a repeat of the same old thing I’ve heard before.

          • Definition of “abomination” according to Google. Merriam-Webster also holds to this definition.

            a·bom·i·na·tion (/əˌbäməˈnāSHən/)

            noun: abomination;

            1. a thing that causes disgust or hatred.

            Passage from the KJV of the bible that states that “god hates fags”, although not explicitly in those words. The context remains the same.

            Leviticus 18:22 – Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

            You may say something superficial like “God doesn’t hate the sinner, he hates the sin”, but that’s just a cop-out. These verses give people, like the Westboro Baptists Church members, license to say things such as “God hates fags”. I know that there are a lot of apologists who want to distort the words so that the god of the bible doesn’t look so bad. But, the god character in the bible is bad. It is wrong to condemn people for acting on their desires when no one is harmed. Why can’t Christians just acknowledge that God got this one wrong? There is nothing wrong with being homosexual. It is completely natural, and consenting adults should be free to love whomever they choose.

            As far as the “God loves dead soldiers” remark, again the exact quote isn’t in the bible. However, if you pay attention to the context in which the Westboro folks speak, you will see that they are saying that God is causing the soldiers to be sent off to be killed because America has become unholy. It has allowed homosexuality, divorce, fornication, adultery, and all other forms of sin against God. Because they believe this to be true, then it would logically follow that they believe that God loves dead soldiers, because he is sending them to their death. There are plenty of examples in the bible, especially the KJV, where God becomes displeased with a nation and sends plaques and death upon it, right? Doesn’t he wipe out armies of the nations that are opposed to him? What happened to the Amalekites? It may not be what you want to hear, but the hatred rhetoric is in-line with the character of God in the bible… even the KJV.

            Just to make it clear, I do not support the message that the WBC is projecting. I am merely pointing out that what they are saying is consistent with the bible. It’s not only consistent with the OT, but also with the NT. This is because the bible does not give a message of peace. It is a hateful book designed to cause people to submit to an ultimate authority and conform to the rules contained within. And the method by which the message is spread is not through love, but through hatred, fear, and intimidation.

            By the way, in this technological age, where anyone can look up passages in the bible and read them for themselves, it doesn’t behoove you to claim that the bible does not say things that it actually does. You may be able to delude yourself into thinking the bible is a source for good, but those of us who scrutinize it critically can see that it is not.

          • Oh, but I have. My grandfather was a Baptist preacher. I went to church regularly as a child. I was even a Vacation Bible School attendee. When people are confronted with atheists, a typical response is to assert that these atheists are ignorant of the bible. However, in many cases, it is precisely from reading the bible that people become atheists. This was true in my case. I read the bible and realized that it did not jive with what I understand about the real world. I saw the inconsistencies and contradictions. I evaluated the creation myth and contrasted it to what I understand about nature, and I realized that it could not have worked that way. I also examined the character of god and scrutinized it closely. I determined that this character was a monster, and even if I were convinced that he were real, which I’ve yet to be, then I would still not worship him. So, I left the club. If you think that what the Phelps clan is saying is not consistent with the bible, then perhaps you are the one who needs to revisit the pages.

        • Danny, Seeing how you like context so much perhaps you should actually read the passage in context. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination” The passage does not say they or he or them are abomination, it says “it is” as in the act, not the people.

          • You can’t separate the action from the person. If someone is homosexual, of course they are going to act on it. If not, then they are denying who they are. That, in my opinion, is a true travesty. And all because an old book of an even older collection of stories says that some supernatural deity will be upset with you. It’s ridiculous. Homosexuality is natural. It is not an abomination. Homosexuals are not abominations. I don’t care if the condemnation was of the action. The condemnation is still wrong. Nice try at weaseling around the topic to make it seem like the bible is not bigoted, but it really is.

        • Sadly the Bible has been misused almost since its existence to excuse or justify many reprehensible actions thru ought history; that does not mean that it is the intended message of the Bible.

          • Your opinion means nothing when viewed through a real world lens as you say you do. People deny their nature all the time. Priests take a vow of celibacy (no, I will not get into the discussion I know popped into your head). If you think denying one’s nature is a travesty, then you would agree that pedophiles should be open to acting on their urges. If you cannot separate the action from the person then you are the same unforgiving monster that you claim the WBC folks are. I wasn’t “weaseling” out of anything. I was simply taking you at your word and giving you the context you said you wanted. So don’t play the hypocrite now when the context proves you wrong.

            As for your “creation myth” comment. Most people understand that it isn’t literal. Only the most fundamentalist believes that everything was created in seven literal days. That seems to be the approach you are taking which completely discounts and ignores the scholarship and belief of millions of Christians.

    • They may not be good representatives of the character of Jesus, but they certainly are strict adherents to the bible. If you listen to their messages and compare them to what is in the bible, you will see that they line up perfectly. These are the products of biblical literalism. This is the danger with religion. Some people actually take their religious texts seriously. Of course, they aren’t the worst. I mean, when it comes down to it, all they are doing is exercising their Constitutionally protected First Amendment Right to free speech, not killing others. They aren’t violent people. They are just espousing hateful vitriol. But, that is what the bible actually teaches, so can you blame them? And it isn’t because they are just uneducated rednecks. I’ve listened to Shirley Phelps-Roper and her daughters speak to college students. They aren’t ignorant of the facts. They actually seemed much more informed than many of the college students during the Q and A session. And, Shirley Phelps is a Kansas state lawyer. These are not dumb people. They just choose to follow the bible, strictly. Thankfully, most Christians are not fundamentalists. They are generally a la carte Christians, who take what they like and leave what they don’t. And since most people are decent, they don’t tend to lean toward the hateful messages. But, some do. And by having a moderate attitude toward the bible, they give license to these fundamentalists to spew hatred like venom. If you read the bible critically, it should be apparent that it is no book of love and peace, but of hate and divisiveness. The bible is the original Westboro Baptist Church.

      • I would like to point out that they are adhering strictly to the “Old Testament”, which is incorrect due to the fact that it clearly states in the New Testament that the covenant with Jesus Christ replaced the old covenant from the Old Testament. Being said, regardless if you believe or not, the facts are still wrong.

        • Bible, NIV: The Sermon on the Mount; Matthew 5:

          27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
          28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
          29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
          30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
          31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’
          32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

          This is what Jesus has to say about adultery and divorce. This is from the New Testament. I copied the entire portion about adultery, so that there is no confusion about context. Go back and listen to what they are saying to Vince Gill in the video, and tell me if it is not based explicitly on these words. The Westboro people do not adhere only to the Old Testament. Also, in Matthew 5, Jesus says the following:

          17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
          18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
          19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
          20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

          It doesn’t seem to me that Jesus was saying that the covenant was replaced or that the Old Testament was null and void. I’m not biblical expert, so if you have a book and verse in mind, send it my way, please.

          • and that was NOT what Jesus said but what the Catholic church ‘added’ when they interpreted the original codexes from their original writings.
            Many things in the bible were not ‘translated’ correctly and many more things were added (as clarification you see) when there is strong condemnation of women.. as in this passage it most certainly was NOT of Jesus. He in-fact held women in high regard.

          • Why is it anybody’s condemned business if Vince Gill is divorced & re-married? If you don’t like his music, his politics, his looks, his religion, or anything else, you certainly don’t have to support him via concert tickets or CD’s or anything else. Leave the judgement up to God. Live your own life as you see fit & stay out of everybody else’s

      • There are extremists in every religion, most notably Islam. God will judge people. He does not need Extremists of any stripe to behead those who don’t convert or to agitate peaceful families mourning the loss of a loved one, or somebody enjoying a concert performed by a Christian. So he’s divorced! Big deal. I am too. I caught my wife in adultery. Judge not lest ye be judged by the same measurre. Rather than condemn those who we consider sinners (all of us!) we should welcome the stray back into the fold. Brow-beating & embarrassing others isn’t going to accomplish much good.
        The Bible does say “an eye for an eye & a tooth for a tooth”, but it also later says “vengence is mine saith the Lord”. The Biblr does not contradict itself, & has never been proven wrong in anything.

      • So they strictly adhere to everything in the bible? What about “Judge not lest ye be judged” or “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”? I seem to recall those from the bible as well.

        • Sure, the bible contradicts itself. The words attributed to Jesus in the bible sometimes contradict each other. Take the lats words accredited to Jesus in the gospels, for example. Here are three different versions, all from the same bible:

          MAT 27:46,50: “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” …Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.”

          LUK 23:46: “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, “Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:” and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”

          JOH 19:30: “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished:” and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.”

          So, what were Jesus’ final words? Could it be only one, all three, or perhaps none? It’s kind of a grab bag for whatever you identify with mostly, right? So, what is your point about what Jesus said in the Sermon? Are the Phelps being judgmental? Or are they trying to call “sinners” to repent for their sins?

          Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

          Are they not following the guidance of the gospels? I mean, they aren’t really judging Vince Gill. They are pointing out something that is already known. They are calling for him to acknowledge that he is “living in sin”, and that what he is doing is against the teachings of Jesus. I think people, Christians especially, confuse being critical with being judgmental. While they can be similar, it depends on the context in which you use the word “criticize”, as to whether or not it is akin to “judging”. If you form an opinion about someone based on your limited understanding of that person, then it is judgmental. But, to point out faults that are evidenced by someone’s actions is not judgmental, it is just being critical of their actions. And when you have a book that outlines which faults are to be condemned by god, then pointing those faults out is not judgmental, but merely a critical analysis. Does it say in the bible that you should not criticize others when they are disobeying the word of god or the teachings of Jesus? What does it say about trying to keep your fellow humans from falling deeper into sin?

          1Timothy 5:20 ESV As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

          It seems to me that this is what the Westboro church is doing. I don’t agree with their actions or their message, but to deny that they adhere to the bible is a falsehood. Sure, you can cherry pick out verses that seem to conform to your opinion. But you could also pick out verses that counter your point, as I have done here. That’s due to the fact that the bible is full of contradictions, even within the “sacred” gospels. That’s precisely why there are so many different denominations with several variations of interpretations of scripture. You may choose to interpret the book one way, but to say that the Westboro people are not following the bible, merely because you were able to pick out one idea that seems to contradict what they are doing, is not only wrong, but it is judgmental. Because you have reached a conclusion about their character based on your limited knowledge of them.

      • Anyone who reads the Bible critically would understand that it is an explanation of the history of the Jewish tribes. Atheists like yourself, are no better than the fundamentalists they reproach. You love to twist the Bible to your own meaning.

  2. Westboro is nothing but a bunch of Inbred Perverts who pervert God’s Word to their own sick interpretation. Why is Kansas still letting these Hate Spreaders still live there?

    • Because Kansas is part of the United States of America, where free speech, whether you like it or not, is Constitutionally protected under the First Amendment. The state government is not a dictatorship which may expel its citizens without just cause. I don’t agree with their message, but I think they have a right to relay it. You can choose to ignore it or confront it, but you may not silence it, lest you be a hypocrite. I’m sure that all of your ideas are wonderful, but there may be a few that aren’t popular. Would you think it right to have your voice silenced? This page is dedicated to the people who choose to defend the Constitution, and that includes speech that we disagree with, even if it is hateful. Wanting to silence a minority does not jive with the concept of valor. My hope is that you take a moment for introspection.

      • Freedom of speak does not give one the right to deprive others of their rights. If my rights were to violate your rights, then my rights do not apply. Everyone is responsible for what they say. If you are big enough to say what you feel, then a person is big enough to take a pounding for saying it if it offends someone. I have the right to call a black person the n word, but does that mean I need to say it? No. If I were to say it, then I need to prepare to get my rearend beat by the black community for saying it. Just because you have the right to say it does not mean that you should say it. Same with these nuts. One of these days they are going to take a bad beating for opening their mouths at the wrong time to the wrong person. When they do, they will have no one to blame but themselves. Some things are better left unsaid.

        • Freedom of speech is not based on what is appropriate to say. It may be true that the consequence of saying something offensive could be a severe beating. However, that does not justify the beating. You do not have a Constitutionally protected right to assault someone who offends you. The only time you have a right to use violence is in the defense of life or property. If you call black people niggers, then you may get your ass kicked. And you may well deserve it. However, the people who kick your ass are not justified in the assault. The same would go for a black person calling white people crackers. If that person got their ass whipped, then they may well deserve it, too. But, the people who assaulted the black person are not justified in using violence, Constitutionally speaking. I agree that the hateful speech that the Westboro clan spews is offensive, cruel, and just plain indecent. However, they have the right to say whatever they want. And as long as they are abiding by the laws while exercising their First Amendment right, then there is no reason why they can’t continue to do so. As vitriolic as they are, the Westboro people do follow the laws. They do not infringe on the rights of others while exercising theirs. Please don’t take this as a defense of their message. I am completely against what they say and do. Thankfully we have counter-protesters and groups like the Patriot Guard Riders who are willing to go out and provide a blockade between the Westboro picketers and the grieving families. It’s also refreshing to know that most people, even within the Christian community, do not hold to all of the same beliefs and ideas as these people, or at least they don’t engage with the families of dead soldiers about their beliefs. No, I do not support the message of the Westboro Baptist Church. But, I believe in the idea of free speech, and I think that they have every right to say what they want. At times I, too, feel like punching them in the face. But just because I have an emotional reaction, that does not justify my following through with it. That would put me in the same category as the Westboro people. I want to be better than that.

          • Mr. Danny has a valid argument. Laws are in place to ensure that emotion does not take over or chaos will ensue.

  3. Give these perverts a lesson into their actions as Christ would. Denounce them and turn your backs on them,,, don’t feed the fire and don’t let these haters drag you to their level.. ignore them and when they fail to get attention they will dry up and blow away….

  4. Well first i like Vince and i do believe that he and everyone else is a child of GOD and i have to say that JESUS CHRIST is and always has been about love and forgiveness and in the bible divorce was something that happened even in the beginning its not about the past its about asking GOD for forgiveness and your relationship with our LORD and SAVIOUR and JESUS himself said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” And everyone has sinned so unless you think one sin is worse than another leave the man alone

  5. Religion and u guys believe in it why, looks like to me it causes nothing but war… oh thats right every war we have had everyone says lets do it for GOD….. freak im an atheists, we just sit back and watch u dumb asses make fools of urselves…..between baptist and Mormons as well as Jehovah, a good start would be wipeing them off the face of the earth… and just be human

    • Try spell-check and maybe you wouldn’t sound so ignorant. Are you a special needs child? There are places you can get help. Do us a favor and make no further comments. How you feel about Christians reflect my opinions on the simple-minded.

      • Please leave children out of this. Your comment was insulting. Just so you know there are many children with special needs who are smart!!! As a matter of fact we adults can learn from them!

    • I am sorry you feel this way. I have heard for God and country, but never in Gods name at least not sense Midevil times. The only religion I have hear reference any kind of God is Islam when they are fighting. Not all Christians are evil, just like not all Atheist are not evil. Sounds to me your bitterness is with society as a whole, but you are only willing to put the blame on religion. Think about this if all religious people were taken off this earth many generous, kind, and talented people would be gone. What a shame that would be. Frankly I would never wish that about you any other person who chooses not to believe. I have learned patience, tolerance and understanding threw acceptance. I say live and let live.

    • I’m an atheist as well, but I find your remarks disconcerting. You are raging against religionists for causing wars, but then you say you’d like to see religious people wiped off the face of the earth? I hope that you meant the religions and not the people who adhere to them. If so, then I apologize for misunderstanding. If not, then I think you should reflect on your comment, because your words seem just as hateful as the Westboro guys. I agree that religions do more harm than good, but I would not dream of killing even one person just because of their beliefs. If you did mean that religious people should be killed off, I hope that others reading comments in this thread know that you are not representative of all, or even the majority, of non-believers.

    • No. Best thing would be to ship all atheists out of America to Russia, China or North Korea. You’d all fit right in. Must be hell knowing that you’re going to die and end up in hell. Wouldn’t want to be you. That’s for sure!1

      • Actually, it’s not hell. Because there isn’t one. But, it’s good to know you’re just another typical close minded Christian, more concerned with telling other’s how they should live, and less concerned with behaving in the way your Christ actually asked of you.

      • Your comment shows that you are not familiar with many atheists. Please don’t take JJ Ranger’s comment as indicative of the position of all atheists. As hateful as your comment is, I will not take it as indicative of the position of all Christians. I understand that you were having an emotional reaction to his comments, but do you really think that your words are that of a compassionate person? You should try harder to be a better person.

  6. Isn’t it funny how you people of no faith congregate to articles dealing in faith, just to bash Christians. Get a life and find something to do, other than hang around church and faith related articles to see how many people you can intimidate. You’re all a sad group of people. When you burn in hell for eternity, the first person you’re going to call for is Jesus Christ. And guess what? He’s not going to listen because you had your chance here on this earth and blew it.

  7. Jesus taught two things: Principles of the Kingdom of God and the Law of Moses. The passage the woman in the video was referring to was Jesus’ response to a question about a point of the Law. We have to be careful to understand the scriptures in context. Jesus came to free us from the curse of the Law. No sin short of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is beyond forgiveness. There are many couples with a past who are faithfully serving God and bearing fruit for the Kingdom after being divorced and re-married. Because of our redemption in Christ, we serve the God of a brand new start.

  8. John 8:1-11
    “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone.” With this simple phrase, Jesus silenced an angry crowd ready to execute a women caught in adultery. His words challenged them to judge themselves before judging others.

    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
    Matthew 7:1-3

    “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
    Luke 6:36-38

  9. In the book of Matthew chapter 7 verse 1 the reading starts by saying “Judge not, that you be not judged”. Verse 2 “For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you.

    Sucks for you.

  10. He handled that exactly the right way. Don’t get ugly with protestors, just speak the truth. If the truth hurts then the shoe fits just right. GO VINCE!

  11. why arent they gong after Amy, and I wonder if their family is free from divorce? And I wonder why they dont talk about the biblical reasons to justify divorce. imbiciles

  12. let those without sin cast the first stone. I have the upmost respect for vince gill. it those protestors really knew the Bible they wouldn’t have been out there. the Lord is the only one that is to judge…. the world would be such a better place without people that act the way those people act. no life very miserable people. keep going the way you are going mr. gill….

  13. I’m not fond of what the WBC members spew, but from the way Jesus acted I would think he would consider many people here as “righteous” as the Pharisees. The hypocrisy involved in Christians spewing hate towards the WBC members on this site is astounding here. Remember the woman at the well? Jesus did not condemn her, he even prevented her stoning – all the while preaching of forgiveness, love, and the invitation to come to the Living Waters and receive Everlasting Life from the Son.

    I also see many who take verses away from the context of the Bible in order to call it hateful, or even Christians who denounce verses from the Old Testament as if God were an evil dictator before He sent His Son. The Old Testament is a series of the Chosen People of God, Israel, turning from Him into deep sin and going even so far as to enter into condemnation and God continually offering forgiveness if they would, as said in the King James Version of Jeremiah 3: “Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice…” (Jer. 3:13), a chapter which continues through verse 18 to say that if what He has said in verse 13 were to be done by Israel He would restore them to their glory, bring them to Zion, bless them with knowledge and understanding, that Jerusalem will be called the throne of the LORD, and that even Judah shall “come out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers”. (Jer. 3:18b) Plus the many other prophecies of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Elijah and Elisha, King David, and Daniel concerning the forgiveness and justification of Israel as well as the prophecy of Ezekiel to the dead army and to the wind that gave the resurrected army of the Lord of Hosts life again. It’s not a giant “f-you” message from God. It’s a giant “you screwed up and drew yourselves into condemnation, now I will save you from your sin” from God.

    There is a lot about the sin and failure of mankind throughout the Bible, but Jesus sums up the truth of the Bible when he said, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but inherit everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn it; but that the world through Him might be saved. For he who believeth on Him is condemned not; but he that believeth not on Him is condemned already, for he hath not believed upon the name of the only begotten Son of God”. (John 3:16-18)

    See, God did show much of the failures of even His own Chosen People for a reason. Romans 3:23 expounds upon this; “For all hath sinned, and come short of the glory of God”. It was not for condemnation that He shows us the sins of even His Chosen People. And it is not for condemnation that He gave us the Law – but that we should know why we were condemned and have no excuse. Galatians 3 says, “But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (verses 23 through 29)

    Also, Jesus preached about not calling out the speck of dust in your brother’s eye while neglecting the piece of wood sticking out of your eye. He even commanded us that if we come before the Father with sacrifices but we have pressing, deep issues with our brother then we are to leave our sacrifice at the alter, make peace with our brother, THEN return to offer the sacrifice.

    I do not like what the WBC is doing at all, and it very loudly makes the church (in reference to the body of Christ or Christians) look horrendous, much as do the crimes of the crusades which was instigated, led, and conducted by men who knew not the truth of the Gospel though less violently. But that does not excuse hate, disdain, and condemnation from those of us who would even bother claiming to be a follower of Christ much less knowing the truth of God’s Word. Self-righteousness is as good and as bad as any blatant sin including hate. Can we please find repentance before the LORD and learn to simply denounce the false prophets and false teachers and false teachings while still following the truth of God and “partaking of the bread of life” (see John 4:34)?

    As for Vince Gill, I am glad he was willing to stand up to the WBC members, but I’m not sure I approve of his methods/words. Could’ve done better, but it was better than a whole lot of people in this nation. Good on him, and glad to see he understands at least something the WBC members don’t: Jesus also preached about forgiveness and grace.

  14. Judgemental i’d say— it seens everyone says WWJD we he forgives right on the spot and says go and sin no more — if they would do that ,, then they would be Jesus like!! but to passs judgement of his marrige well thats not thier job!

  15. I live in Topeka and the approach we take is to ignore them. They are attention seekers and want to shock the public. I feel there is a level of abuse to teach children to hate. As adults do what you want but to involve children holding disgusting signs that other children should not be victim to view is outrageous but this is what they want. Just because you can does not mean you should.

  16. It says in the bible to take the WBC group and drop them over Syria, HANO High Altitude No Opening. Assad may have WMD’s but we have WBC’s which are much worse.

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